fernando valley by 2021, and then the final san francisco to l.a. by 2028. does the administration have a different timeline than the authority? >> well, i believe that the timeline i was given was about a decade. so i'll go back and see if i'm incorrect on that. >> okay, certainly having it done on time would be of great interest to me as we're looking to try to come to some type of agreement so that we can fight together rather than fighting to come up with a plan that we can all agree on. and finally, on this being a shovel-ready project, stimulus dollars, we're four years into this now. any idea when we're actually going to have shovels in the ground? >> you talking about high-speed rail or stimulus generally? [laughter] >> i do believe we've found some shovels for some of the stimulus money, but on high-speed rail, we still are using stimulus dollars and have no shovels on the ground. >> well, you know better than anyone the difficulties it is to start a new program. >> uh-huh. >> and even though california was well positioned with a good plan,